Saturn/Juno relationships: something in common with Venus/Saturn
MOST COMMON
Impediments to marriage (including family disapproval)
Wedding delayed; called off; broken engagements; more than one proposal
Love children
. Transiting Juno=Saturn in Queen Mary's chart when her son Edward VIII abdicated
. Transiting Juno=Saturn in Queen Mary's chart when her son Edward VIII abdicated
so he could marry This illustration teaches us something about astrology; the horoscope
also describes events happening to the people around us.
. Alexander Graham Bell had to wait because she was so young;
married with P. Juno ssq Saturn 7' orb
. Katherine Zeta Jones broken engagement N. Venus//Saturn//Juno also Uranus/Juno
. Hillary Swank several engagements, never married
. Christina Rossetti 1 broken engagements, refused marriage 2 other times
. Amelia Earhart's.husband proposed 6 times; kept her name and other liberal marriage ideas
Parental disapproval (some of these are multiple categories)
. Joe Biden's 1st wife 's parents disapproved of her marrying a Catholic
. Johnny Depp April 2020 he is in another phase of a libel lawsuit with his ex-wife
married with P. Juno ssq Saturn 7' orb
. Katherine Zeta Jones broken engagement N. Venus//Saturn//Juno also Uranus/Juno
. Hillary Swank several engagements, never married
. Christina Rossetti 1 broken engagements, refused marriage 2 other times
. Amelia Earhart's.husband proposed 6 times; kept her name and other liberal marriage ideas
(N. Sun=Venus=Saturn=Uranus=Juno=Vulcanus)
. Prince Charles wedding to Camilla delayed when Pope died SA Saturn/Juno=Asc 4' orb (no natal)
Camilla T. Juno=N. Saturn (no natal)<15 announcement="" day="" font="" made="" natal="" no="" orb="" the="" was="">
. Gene Simmons married wife 28 years after they met
. James Joyce married wife 27 years after they met
. Shannon Doherty several engagements Aries= Sun=Moon=Venus=Saturn/Juno
Married 2 weels after meeting: T. Saturn station trine Juno and T. Juno qx. Saturn/trine Juno
. Christina Rosseti 2 broken engagements Saturn opposite Juno 3 degrees orb
. Lord Palmerston married his mistress of many years when she was widowed; he was 55 she was 52
their marriage was criticized for their late age and for his many affairs
. The marriage had been long delayed because of objections on religious grounds
by wife's family. Brandon Thomas
. In art: "Muriel's Wedding" Toni Collette Sun=S/J
. Princess Alys' fiance (Richad Lionheart) marries someone else
(N. Saturn=Juno ssq approx 1 degree orb/ T. Juno=N. Saturn and Chiron 5/12/1191)
. Fiance died; Paula Yates T. Saturn opposite N. Juno Michael Hutchence died 11/22/1997
. Edward VI "rough wooing" 8 years war in which his non-marriage is an issue
SR Saturn square Juno tight orb=Venus/Zeus midpoint
. John Jacob Astor VI wedding called off at the last minute P. Saturn=N. Juno 64H 1' orb
His SR contained Uranus square Juno and Juno/Cupido=Aries and Uranus/Cupido=Aries)
. Prince Charles wedding to Camilla delayed when Pope died SA Saturn/Juno=Asc 4' orb (no natal)
Camilla T. Juno=N. Saturn (no natal)<15 announcement="" day="" font="" made="" natal="" no="" orb="" the="" was="">
. Gene Simmons married wife 28 years after they met
. James Joyce married wife 27 years after they met
. Shannon Doherty several engagements Aries= Sun=Moon=Venus=Saturn/Juno
Married 2 weels after meeting: T. Saturn station trine Juno and T. Juno qx. Saturn/trine Juno
. Christina Rosseti 2 broken engagements Saturn opposite Juno 3 degrees orb
. Lord Palmerston married his mistress of many years when she was widowed; he was 55 she was 52
their marriage was criticized for their late age and for his many affairs
. The marriage had been long delayed because of objections on religious grounds
by wife's family. Brandon Thomas
. In art: "Muriel's Wedding" Toni Collette Sun=S/J
. Princess Alys' fiance (Richad Lionheart) marries someone else
(N. Saturn=Juno ssq approx 1 degree orb/ T. Juno=N. Saturn and Chiron 5/12/1191)
. Fiance died; Paula Yates T. Saturn opposite N. Juno Michael Hutchence died 11/22/1997
. Edward VI "rough wooing" 8 years war in which his non-marriage is an issue
SR Saturn square Juno tight orb=Venus/Zeus midpoint
. John Jacob Astor VI wedding called off at the last minute P. Saturn=N. Juno 64H 1' orb
His SR contained Uranus square Juno and Juno/Cupido=Aries and Uranus/Cupido=Aries)
. Ex-husbands abducted children N. Saturn trine Juno, Ntaal Saturn qx. Juno, it's common
. Jeff Buckley's girlfriend when he died N. Saturn/Juno=Aries (one source said he was going to
propose. Joan Wasser (born July 26, 1970)
. He and partner both believed that the government had no business in their private lives. (his female partner died 38 years before him) N. Saturn=Neptune=Juno=Aries April 2, 194
Parental disapproval (some of these are multiple categories)
. Joe Biden's 1st wife 's parents disapproved of her marrying a Catholic
. Albert Speer's parents disapproved seven years elapsed before Margarete was invited
to stay at her in-laws' home
. Diderot dissuaded by his family from marrying a woman below his station, his father obtained a
royal injunction against the proposed marriage and had Diderot locked up in a monestary.
Diderot went on to "endure" the marriage; they weren't happy. He loved someone else; her
parents kept them apart. He had to sneak around to see her even when they were in the same
city. Diderot also had Neptune/Juno
. Elizabeth Barrett Browning (Robert had Venus 7th Cancer opp Saturn Cap)
. Salvadore Dali
. Princess Stephanie of Belgium (more about her in relationship/reputation)
(While engaged he wrote a famous love letter to another woman; they met when she was 16
when she married someone else P. Juno was 20 from his N. Saturn)
. William Morris' wife didn't love him
. Dora Maar and Picasso (+Gilot met Picasso who left Maar for Gilot on Gilot's transit)
. Alexander Graham Bell fell in love (he was 27 she was 17) an "unreciprocated fancy"
He was "dressed badly and carelessly"
Transits and Progressions:to stay at her in-laws' home
. Diderot dissuaded by his family from marrying a woman below his station, his father obtained a
royal injunction against the proposed marriage and had Diderot locked up in a monestary.
Diderot went on to "endure" the marriage; they weren't happy. He loved someone else; her
parents kept them apart. He had to sneak around to see her even when they were in the same
city. Diderot also had Neptune/Juno
. Elizabeth Barrett Browning (Robert had Venus 7th Cancer opp Saturn Cap)
. Salvadore Dali
. Princess Stephanie of Belgium (more about her in relationship/reputation)
. Mary of Teck disapproved of her son's marriage Edward VIII to Wallis Simpson
. Marie Stopes disapproved of son's marriage to near sighted woman (she was eugenicist)
. Jules Verne's loves married others, one because her father disapproved
. William Cowper wanted to marry his cousin; her father forbade
. Caruso marriage SR Saturn=Juno=Cupido her father disapproves
. Bobbi Kristina Brown Sun=Saturn/Juno exact;
"Husband" Nick Gordon N.Saturn=Neptune=Juno=Kronos=Apollon=Vulcanus
Announced engagement; controversy with both parents' families.
her SA Saturn/Juno=Aries 2' orb 7/10/2012. They "married" but never legally married.
She's found unconscious; her "husband" had T. Saturn/Neptune/Pluto/Chiron
triggering his natal Saturn/Neptune/Juno symbolism
(January 2015; she never regained consciousness, died 6 months later)
. William Cowper wanted to marry his cousin; her father forbade
. Caruso marriage SR Saturn=Juno=Cupido her father disapproves
. Bobbi Kristina Brown Sun=Saturn/Juno exact;
"Husband" Nick Gordon N.Saturn=Neptune=Juno=Kronos=Apollon=Vulcanus
Announced engagement; controversy with both parents' families.
her SA Saturn/Juno=Aries 2' orb 7/10/2012. They "married" but never legally married.
She's found unconscious; her "husband" had T. Saturn/Neptune/Pluto/Chiron
triggering his natal Saturn/Neptune/Juno symbolism
(January 2015; she never regained consciousness, died 6 months later)
. Elise Raziwell she was desired but judged unsuitable (royal blood issue)
Saturn square Juno 3 degree orb, with Jupiter at the midpoint (also Venus=Cupido/Hades)
. George Washington's marriage proposals to 2 women before his wife were rejected
Non-reciprocal relationship
(While engaged he wrote a famous love letter to another woman; they met when she was 16
when she married someone else P. Juno was 20 from his N. Saturn)
. William Morris' wife didn't love him
. Dora Maar and Picasso (+Gilot met Picasso who left Maar for Gilot on Gilot's transit)
. Alexander Graham Bell fell in love (he was 27 she was 17) an "unreciprocated fancy"
He was "dressed badly and carelessly"
. Antonio Gaudi stayed single after an unreciprocated relationship
. Sir
Walter Scott's unsuccessful courtship illustrated several attributes of
Saturn/Juno.
He first met the love of his life when she was 15. He felt she encouraged him but felt
humiliated, jilted and led on when she announced her engagement to someone else
T. Saturn was square his natal Juno. He had natal Sun=Saturn/Juno 64H/2' orb
. King Christian VII Denmark "cold to his wife throughout their marriage...her natural and
unaffected personality was not popular at the strict popular at the Danish court"
. Rudyard Kipling girl who "inspired the most passion in him" did not reciprocate;
bio says she was gay. Kipling: early unrequited passion; married seemingly stern person.
At one time he wrote about "lighthearted accounts of infidelity...now under the stern stare of
their new superintendant Kipling's narrators were seldom happy husbands, but solitary
men, widowers and bachelors. Referred to wife as "commandress in chief"
. Lupe Velez father of her unborn child: "so confused" by Vélez's suicide, and claimed that even
though the two had broken up, he had agreed to marry Vélez
He admitted that he once asked Vélez to sign an agreement stating that he was only marrying
her to "give the baby a name" N. Saturn/Juno square; t. Saturn conjunct n. Juno 1 degree orb
was exact weeks prior. Also engaged to Gary Cooper but his mother didn't approve (scroll down)
3 divorce efforts with Johnny Weissmuller
. . Saturn/Juno=Aries and Mercury 64H/7' parents AND brother disapprove of marriage
. . Saturn/Juno=Aries and Mercury 64H/7' parents AND brother disapprove of marriage
Bad for one or both reputations; humiliation
. Johnny Depp April 2020 he is in another phase of a libel lawsuit with his ex-wife
He has N. Saturn=Juno (semi octile) and T. Saturn stationing with Juno triggering Saturn/Juno pic
He loses Saturn/Juno=Aries SA (November 20, 2020)
. Bob Dylan sued for palimony T. Juno Scorpio opposite N. Saturn (triggering Venus/Saturn/Chiron)
. Prince Philip, husband of Queen Elizabeth (see "The Crown")
. Eva Braun married Hitler Saturn quincunx Juno
. Eva Braun married Hitler Saturn quincunx Juno
. Mary Queen of Scots kidnapped and "raped" by her future husband T. Juno conjunct N. Saturn
. Camille Crosby Saturn square Juno 2 degrees orb; when accusations first went public
(in a stand up comedy routine 10/17/2014) T. Saturn trine her natal Juno
. Camille Crosby Saturn square Juno 2 degrees orb; when accusations first went public
(in a stand up comedy routine 10/17/2014) T. Saturn trine her natal Juno
. Nicole Brown Simpson called 9-1-1 on October 25, 1993, crying and saying that
"He [Simpson] is going to beat the shit out of me T. Juno square N. Saturn 1 degree orb
. Georgina Chapman wife of Harvey Weinstein Saturn/Juno=Aries
T. Venus square N. Juno when news first came out'
. Harvey Weinstein Moon=Saturn=Juno=Chiron triggered by Sun/Venus/Mars when news broke
Other Me too men:
Louis CK T. Saturn =N. Juno/Chiron when news broke
Photog Bruce Webber T. Juno=N. Saturn
Photog Mario Testino N. Juno=Saturn; T. Saturn triggered picture
. Errol Flynn statutory rape trial P. Saturn=P. Juno exact/semi octile (this could be Juno/Chiron)
. Edward VIII abdicated to marry (64H/7' orb)
. The Mayerling Incident double suicide of Belgian prince
Prince of Belgium (N. Saturn=Juno probably =Sun)
and his mistress (Saturn/Juno=Aries/Uranus approx 3' orb).
And his wife Stephanie had Saturn/Juno=Aries 1' orb.
T. Saturn was 2 degrees past a conjunction with Stephanie's N. Juno;
transiting Juno was forming a precise semi octile to the mistress's Saturn.
More about Stephanie: disdained by prince's mother as "inadequate match".
Prince infected her with gonorhea.
She remarried someone of unequal rank; furious father forbade her from seeing her dying mother.
. Betsy Bloomingdale's husband began an affair with Vicki Morgan that became infamous
T. Saturn station conj, her N. Juno event: August, 1969; Natal Sun=Juno=Chiron=Apollon
Vicki Morgan clubbed to death when P. Chiron=Saturn/Juno 1' orb
. Jean Harlow had multiple manifestations (Natal Sun=Saturn/Juno exactly)
2 months after marriage, her husband was found dead
in their home, touching off a lasting scandal.
(T. Juno sqq N. Saturn 1/2 degree orb, but the more important transit
of Pluto opposite N. Mars and SR Mars/Pluto aspect)
Her next affair resulted in her being named co-respondent in a divorce.
To "defuse the situation" she married (SA Saturn/JunoSun 4' orb 9/17/1933)
a friend and divorced 8 months later.
Engaged to her last love for 2 years, he delayed it, then she died.
. Claudia Schiffer natal chart; sued magazine for claiming her relationship with
David Copperfield was a sham but their representitive admitted Schiffer had a contract to appear
in audience, but she was not under contract to be his "consort"
SA Saturn=Juno 7' orb; T. Juno triggered her natal Juno/Hades.
Other Juno pictures: P. Mars=Juno 1' orb; SA Juno=Mercury 6' orb
. Margaret of Navarre pamphlets that politically discredited her and her family;
the most successful defamation Le Divorce Satyrique (1607), described Margaret as a
nymphomaniac
. Jacques Hadamard's cousin married to Dreyfus of the "Dreyfus Affair"
At the time of the trial when Dreyfus was convicted, T. Saturn and Pluto squared Hadamard's Juno
This is an extraordinary illustration. It was not Hadamard's wife but she was part of a couple
with whom he was very very close!
. Lord Montbatten was the last to know about his wife's affairs.
They had an open marriage thereafter. He had Saturn/Juno conjunction; when married
T. Saturn opposite his natal picture; transiting nodes triggering natal picture;
T. Hades triggered natal picture
. Debussy relationship scandal (wife attempted suicide when he left her)
caused loss of friends and lover's family disowned her
. Oliver Cromwell quincunx; his wife was "attacked in royalist propaganda and accused of
personal vices".
. Gustavus Adulphus' wife was reviled his N. Venus=Saturn/Juno
. Giovanni Segantini tried to marry but due to his stateless status he couldn't get the proper legal
papers. In opposition to this bureaucratic technicality, they decided to live together as an unmarried
couple, leading to conflicts with the Catholic church and forced to relocate every few years to
avoid local condemnation (See art for his style)
. Edward IV married a commoner "he must know that she was no wife for a
prince such as himself".
. Graham Greene trial for publishing sexual comments about 9 year old Shirley Temple
T. Juno=T. Saturn=N. Moon
. Robert Durst killed his wife Natal Saturn/Juno triggered by T. Venus and Chiron;
. Georgina Chapman wife of Harvey Weinstein Saturn/Juno=Aries
T. Venus square N. Juno when news first came out'
. Harvey Weinstein Moon=Saturn=Juno=Chiron triggered by Sun/Venus/Mars when news broke
Other Me too men:
Louis CK T. Saturn =N. Juno/Chiron when news broke
Photog Bruce Webber T. Juno=N. Saturn
Photog Mario Testino N. Juno=Saturn; T. Saturn triggered picture
. Errol Flynn statutory rape trial P. Saturn=P. Juno exact/semi octile (this could be Juno/Chiron)
. Edward VIII abdicated to marry (64H/7' orb)
. The Mayerling Incident double suicide of Belgian prince
Prince of Belgium (N. Saturn=Juno probably =Sun)
and his mistress (Saturn/Juno=Aries/Uranus approx 3' orb).
And his wife Stephanie had Saturn/Juno=Aries 1' orb.
T. Saturn was 2 degrees past a conjunction with Stephanie's N. Juno;
transiting Juno was forming a precise semi octile to the mistress's Saturn.
More about Stephanie: disdained by prince's mother as "inadequate match".
Prince infected her with gonorhea.
She remarried someone of unequal rank; furious father forbade her from seeing her dying mother.
. Betsy Bloomingdale's husband began an affair with Vicki Morgan that became infamous
T. Saturn station conj, her N. Juno event: August, 1969; Natal Sun=Juno=Chiron=Apollon
Vicki Morgan clubbed to death when P. Chiron=Saturn/Juno 1' orb
. Jean Harlow had multiple manifestations (Natal Sun=Saturn/Juno exactly)
2 months after marriage, her husband was found dead
in their home, touching off a lasting scandal.
(T. Juno sqq N. Saturn 1/2 degree orb, but the more important transit
of Pluto opposite N. Mars and SR Mars/Pluto aspect)
Her next affair resulted in her being named co-respondent in a divorce.
To "defuse the situation" she married (SA Saturn/JunoSun 4' orb 9/17/1933)
a friend and divorced 8 months later.
Engaged to her last love for 2 years, he delayed it, then she died.
. Claudia Schiffer natal chart; sued magazine for claiming her relationship with
David Copperfield was a sham but their representitive admitted Schiffer had a contract to appear
in audience, but she was not under contract to be his "consort"
SA Saturn=Juno 7' orb; T. Juno triggered her natal Juno/Hades.
Other Juno pictures: P. Mars=Juno 1' orb; SA Juno=Mercury 6' orb
. Margaret of Navarre pamphlets that politically discredited her and her family;
the most successful defamation Le Divorce Satyrique (1607), described Margaret as a
nymphomaniac
. Jacques Hadamard's cousin married to Dreyfus of the "Dreyfus Affair"
At the time of the trial when Dreyfus was convicted, T. Saturn and Pluto squared Hadamard's Juno
This is an extraordinary illustration. It was not Hadamard's wife but she was part of a couple
with whom he was very very close!
. Lord Montbatten was the last to know about his wife's affairs.
They had an open marriage thereafter. He had Saturn/Juno conjunction; when married
T. Saturn opposite his natal picture; transiting nodes triggering natal picture;
T. Hades triggered natal picture
. Debussy relationship scandal (wife attempted suicide when he left her)
caused loss of friends and lover's family disowned her
. Oliver Cromwell quincunx; his wife was "attacked in royalist propaganda and accused of
personal vices".
. Gustavus Adulphus' wife was reviled his N. Venus=Saturn/Juno
. Giovanni Segantini tried to marry but due to his stateless status he couldn't get the proper legal
papers. In opposition to this bureaucratic technicality, they decided to live together as an unmarried
couple, leading to conflicts with the Catholic church and forced to relocate every few years to
avoid local condemnation (See art for his style)
. Edward IV married a commoner "he must know that she was no wife for a
prince such as himself".
. Graham Greene trial for publishing sexual comments about 9 year old Shirley Temple
T. Juno=T. Saturn=N. Moon
. Robert Durst killed his wife Natal Saturn/Juno triggered by T. Venus and Chiron;
. Jeffrey Archer newspaper expose about prostitute payoff
T. Saturn in Libra opposite N. Sun Aries
. Oscar Wilde met Alfred Douglas (led to Wilde's downfall) June 1891 T. Saturn=N. Juno <30 30="" font="" orb="">
SR Mercury=Saturn=Uranus=Juno
. Courtney Love Sun=S/J 64H some suspect her of involvement in Cobain's death
. In a SR: married an unpopular guy Mary Queen of Scots married Darnley 12/1564
. Some Me-too men (some have Juno/Chiron another common signature)
Harvey Weinstein Moon=Saturn=Juno=Chiron triggered by Sun/Venus/Mars when news broke
Louis CK T. Saturn =N. Juno/Chiron when news broke
Photog Bruce Webber T. Juno=N. Saturn
Photog Mario Testino N. Juno=Saturn; T. Saturn triggered picture
Natal contacts:
T. Saturn in Libra opposite N. Sun Aries
. Oscar Wilde met Alfred Douglas (led to Wilde's downfall) June 1891 T. Saturn=N. Juno <30 30="" font="" orb="">
SR Mercury=Saturn=Uranus=Juno
. Courtney Love Sun=S/J 64H some suspect her of involvement in Cobain's death
. In a SR: married an unpopular guy Mary Queen of Scots married Darnley 12/1564
. Some Me-too men (some have Juno/Chiron another common signature)
Harvey Weinstein Moon=Saturn=Juno=Chiron triggered by Sun/Venus/Mars when news broke
Louis CK T. Saturn =N. Juno/Chiron when news broke
Photog Bruce Webber T. Juno=N. Saturn
Photog Mario Testino N. Juno=Saturn; T. Saturn triggered picture
Natal contacts:
. Kim Kardashian Sun=Saturn/Juno exactly
. Monica Lewinsky N. Saturn=Juno (also=Mars/Uranus/Neptune)
. Alexander Pushkin had several manifestations.
His wife hesitated to marry him; the marriage was delayed due to epidemic;
His wife didn't have a good reputation; it was said she pushed him to write for money
He he was killed in a duel by wife's seducer (he also had Scorpio south node)
He had natal Saturn=Juno=Aries
. Salvador Dali's wife had a bad reputation among his friends; she pushed him to work for money
. James Joyce's wife still has a bad rep in her town because of his books
. Oliver Cromwell's wife was satirized
. Kelly Anne Conway's marriage is scrutinized; he excoriates her boss
. Linda McCartney was said to break up the Beatles (Yoko didn't have Saturn/Juno)
. King James II (while he was Prince) his engagement to pregnant Anne Hyde was controversial
even her father disapproved; "the stigma of her lowly birth remained".
N. Aries=Saturn=Jupiter=Uranus=Juno=Vulcanus=Hades.
(WTF: When he had P. Jupiter opposite Juno they lost a child!)
. King Charles II "Restless he rolls from whore to whore, a merry monarch scandalous and poor"
her “that hard, capable little person.” Rudyard Kipling’s parents saw her as "no more than
an American on the make": Book written about her was called "Carrie Kipling: the Hated Wife"
. George Eliot's relationship to a married man was horrible for their reps.
But she also had Libra South Node
. Lord Palmerston married his mistress of many years when she was widowed; he was 55 she was 52
. De Beauvoir 2 affairs resulted in students' suicide/nervous breakdown; lost her license to teach
. Eric Gill widespread revulsion towards aspects of Gill's sexual life (? also Neptune trine Juno)
. Public figures who endorse pedophilia: Simone de Beauvoir; Allen Ginsberg
Alternative pictures: Juno/Chiron
South node libra
Marriage of convenience
. Sammy Davis married a black woman when he was threatened by mob for dating a white
woman. He paid her on the condition that it would be dissolved before the end of the year.
They never lived together; started divorce almost immediately.
N. Saturn=Juno; 1951 SR Saturn trine Juno; no transits, progressions or SA
. Berthe Morisot was close with Édouard Manet but they could not be married so she
she married his brother; sometimes described as marriage of convenience.
Painting she kept the use of color to the minimum (they look pale, lots of white)
when constructing a motif. she used barely tinted whites, she's always dressed in black in
paintings of herself. used barely tinted whites to harmonize the paintings.
. Eugène in Passy on 22 December 1874 (sometimes described as a marriage of convenience.
It's important to note that many of these events were not marked by Saturn/Juno transits or progressions.
Also that there are many other pictures for partner's bad reputation. Betsy Bloomingdale
Sun=Juno=Chiron=Apollon but Saturn st. Chiron/Apollon is bad rep.
Childhood friends/sweethearts
Some go the distance; (Kurt Vonnegut, Oliver Wendall Holmes, John Dewey "a longtime friend and companion for several years before their marriage" )
Some don't (Elizabeth I Brittney Spears/Justin Timberlake)
Age difference
. Both Emanuel Macron and his wife have Juno//Chiron (34 year age difference)
. Thomas Edison wife #1 age 16/he was 24; #2 she was 20/he was 39
. Christian Barnard was 48 years older than #1; approx 45 years older than #3
. Gilot met Picasso T. Juno station=N. Saturn 38 year age difference
. Jimmy Carter met his wife when she was a baby
. Duncan Grant met his wife when she was a baby "such a beautiful baby I think I will marry it"
. Hugh Hefner 3 degree square
. Rosa Bonheur one long term relationship; 40 year age difference
. Monica Lewinsky N. Saturn=Juno (also=Mars/Uranus/Neptune)
. Alexander Pushkin had several manifestations.
His wife hesitated to marry him; the marriage was delayed due to epidemic;
His wife didn't have a good reputation; it was said she pushed him to write for money
He he was killed in a duel by wife's seducer (he also had Scorpio south node)
He had natal Saturn=Juno=Aries
. Salvador Dali's wife had a bad reputation among his friends; she pushed him to work for money
. James Joyce's wife still has a bad rep in her town because of his books
. Oliver Cromwell's wife was satirized
. Kelly Anne Conway's marriage is scrutinized; he excoriates her boss
. Linda McCartney was said to break up the Beatles (Yoko didn't have Saturn/Juno)
. King James II (while he was Prince) his engagement to pregnant Anne Hyde was controversial
even her father disapproved; "the stigma of her lowly birth remained".
N. Aries=Saturn=Jupiter=Uranus=Juno=Vulcanus=Hades.
(WTF: When he had P. Jupiter opposite Juno they lost a child!)
. King Charles II "Restless he rolls from whore to whore, a merry monarch scandalous and poor"
. King Christian VII Denmark "cold to his wife throughout their marriage...her natural and
unaffected personality was not popular at the strict popular at the Danish court".
. Carrie Kipling was "one of the most despised women of her generation". Henry James called her “that hard, capable little person.” Rudyard Kipling’s parents saw her as "no more than
an American on the make": Book written about her was called "Carrie Kipling: the Hated Wife"
. George Eliot's relationship to a married man was horrible for their reps.
But she also had Libra South Node
. Lord Palmerston married his mistress of many years when she was widowed; he was 55 she was 52
. De Beauvoir 2 affairs resulted in students' suicide/nervous breakdown; lost her license to teach
. Eric Gill widespread revulsion towards aspects of Gill's sexual life (? also Neptune trine Juno)
. Public figures who endorse pedophilia: Simone de Beauvoir; Allen Ginsberg
Alternative pictures: Juno/Chiron
South node libra
Marriage of convenience
. Sammy Davis married a black woman when he was threatened by mob for dating a white
woman. He paid her on the condition that it would be dissolved before the end of the year.
They never lived together; started divorce almost immediately.
N. Saturn=Juno; 1951 SR Saturn trine Juno; no transits, progressions or SA
. Berthe Morisot was close with Édouard Manet but they could not be married so she
she married his brother; sometimes described as marriage of convenience.
Painting she kept the use of color to the minimum (they look pale, lots of white)
when constructing a motif. she used barely tinted whites, she's always dressed in black in
paintings of herself. used barely tinted whites to harmonize the paintings.
. Eugène in Passy on 22 December 1874 (sometimes described as a marriage of convenience.
It's important to note that many of these events were not marked by Saturn/Juno transits or progressions.
Also that there are many other pictures for partner's bad reputation. Betsy Bloomingdale
Sun=Juno=Chiron=Apollon but Saturn st. Chiron/Apollon is bad rep.
Childhood friends/sweethearts
Some go the distance; (Kurt Vonnegut, Oliver Wendall Holmes, John Dewey "a longtime friend and companion for several years before their marriage" )
Some don't (Elizabeth I Brittney Spears/Justin Timberlake)
Age difference
. Both Emanuel Macron and his wife have Juno//Chiron (34 year age difference)
. Thomas Edison wife #1 age 16/he was 24; #2 she was 20/he was 39
. Christian Barnard was 48 years older than #1; approx 45 years older than #3
. Gilot met Picasso T. Juno station=N. Saturn 38 year age difference
. Jimmy Carter met his wife when she was a baby
. Duncan Grant met his wife when she was a baby "such a beautiful baby I think I will marry it"
. Hugh Hefner 3 degree square
. Rosa Bonheur one long term relationship; 40 year age difference
. Krysten Sinema older husband/short marriage
Saturn in Libra also corresponds with age difference, even more noteworthy with Saturn in Libra the female partner is often older!
Partner is serious; older looking; unsmiling; or the native looks serious/unsmiling
. George H.W. Bush's wife looked older than he; Henry Kissinger's wife looked serious
. George IV affairs with older woman; married older woman
. Henry Ford married his partner because he liked her serious nature
. Oscar Wilde "She is quite young and very grave" (age 16)
criminal conviction for "gross indecency",
Engaged P. Juno=Saturn 64H/exact; natal Sun=Saturn/Juno 64H
. Henry Kissinger married his student; Nancy Kissinger a serious looking person
P. Saturn square N. Juno exact when they married
. Trump becomes engaged to Milania T. Juno opposite N. Saturn
Certain instances of widowhood
. Henry VII trouble remarrying; never did
. Balzac was involved with his future wife 17 years; she dies 5 months after they married
. Alfonso XII's 1st wife died within six months of the marriage.
In his 2nd marriage, he and his wife were shot at during the honeymoon, they survived.
. Mary Baker Eddy's 1st husband died after 6 months; she was 6 months pregnant;
then the death of her fiancé, lawyer John Bartlett. Her second husband said he would
become her son's legal guardian; he never did, nor did her widowed father's new wife
and she lost contact with her son until he was in his 30's.
. Mary Queen of France (Mary Stuart) married with T. Saturn=T. Juno; widowed months later
(transit made contact with her natal Mercury and Neptune) married 10/9/1514; widowed 1/10/1515
She wed in secret with transiting Saturn trine N. Juno (parental disapproval) 3/3/1515
. Widow Cliquot N. Saturn//Jupiter//Juno (+Juno=Aries)
. Lord Palmerston married his mistress of many years when she was widowed
. Carl Schurz widowed 30 years
. Edith Piaf: when she met love of her life P. Saturn=Juno (summer 1948);
he died 1 1/2 years later (11/49) The relationship was scandalous, he was married.
Piaf had natal minor aspect sun=s/j
Parental disapproval
. Elizabeth Barrett Browning (Robert had Venus 7th Cancer opp Saturn Cap)
. Salvadore Dali
. Princess Stephanie of Belgium
Separated during marriage
Joan Baez; as soon as he was released from jail, they divorced
Problems divorcing
Remarry same person
Some stay close after divorce
Love children (parents didn't marry)
Saturn in Libra also corresponds with age difference, even more noteworthy with Saturn in Libra the female partner is often older!
Partner is serious; older looking; unsmiling; or the native looks serious/unsmiling
. George H.W. Bush's wife looked older than he; Henry Kissinger's wife looked serious
. George IV affairs with older woman; married older woman
. Henry Ford married his partner because he liked her serious nature
. Oscar Wilde "She is quite young and very grave" (age 16)
criminal conviction for "gross indecency",
Engaged P. Juno=Saturn 64H/exact; natal Sun=Saturn/Juno 64H
. Henry Kissinger married his student; Nancy Kissinger a serious looking person
P. Saturn square N. Juno exact when they married
. Trump becomes engaged to Milania T. Juno opposite N. Saturn
Certain instances of widowhood
. Henry VII trouble remarrying; never did
. Balzac was involved with his future wife 17 years; she dies 5 months after they married
. Alfonso XII's 1st wife died within six months of the marriage.
In his 2nd marriage, he and his wife were shot at during the honeymoon, they survived.
. Mary Baker Eddy's 1st husband died after 6 months; she was 6 months pregnant;
then the death of her fiancé, lawyer John Bartlett. Her second husband said he would
become her son's legal guardian; he never did, nor did her widowed father's new wife
and she lost contact with her son until he was in his 30's.
. Mary Queen of France (Mary Stuart) married with T. Saturn=T. Juno; widowed months later
(transit made contact with her natal Mercury and Neptune) married 10/9/1514; widowed 1/10/1515
She wed in secret with transiting Saturn trine N. Juno (parental disapproval) 3/3/1515
. Widow Cliquot N. Saturn//Jupiter//Juno (+Juno=Aries)
. Lord Palmerston married his mistress of many years when she was widowed
. Carl Schurz widowed 30 years
. Edith Piaf: when she met love of her life P. Saturn=Juno (summer 1948);
he died 1 1/2 years later (11/49) The relationship was scandalous, he was married.
Piaf had natal minor aspect sun=s/j
Parental disapproval
. Elizabeth Barrett Browning (Robert had Venus 7th Cancer opp Saturn Cap)
. Salvadore Dali
. Princess Stephanie of Belgium
. Mary of Teck disapproved of her son's marriage Edward VIII to Wallis Simpson
. Marie Stopes disapproved of son's marriage to near sighted woman (she was eugenicist)
. Jules Verne's loves married others, one because her father disapproved
. William Cowper wanted to marry his cousin; her father forbade
. William Cowper wanted to marry his cousin; her father forbade
Separated during marriage
Joan Baez; as soon as he was released from jail, they divorced
Problems divorcing
Remarry same person
Some stay close after divorce
Love children (parents didn't marry)
Parent AND child
Other pics for this like Ceres/Chiron and Juno/Ceres
Liv Tyler
Deni Hines
george blake one way divorce In November 1966, his wife Gillian, with whom he had three children, began divorce proceedings against him, and in March 1967 Mr Justice Orr granted a decree nisi in Blake's absence, on the grounds that the conviction of a spouse for treason can amount to cruelty or constructive desertion. Custody of their three sons, Anthony, James, and Patrick, was awarded to Gillian. This caused Blake a good deal of grief, though he knew that Gillian would have struggled to settle into life in the Soviet Union
Henry VIII North Node Saturn conjunct Juno
Rilke fell in love with a woman engaged to someone else.
He married on the rebound. They were soon separated but divorce hindered by Catholic bureaucracy/
delayed divorce
Ty Cobb
N. Saturn=Juno took 17 years to divorce; ex wife filed several divorce suits several times.
Frances Farmer (remarried same partner)
Ted Kennedy Moon and Neptune=Saturn/Juno annulment issue Moon=Neptune=Saturn/Juno
Here Saturn/Juno works like Venus/Saturn midpoint, where the planet at the midpoint is the divisive issue.
Joseph P. Kennedy II separates P. Juno=P. Saturn exact March 1989
Annulment overturned 6/2007: SR Poseidon=Saturn/Juno
Divorce with T. Saturn square Venus
Neptune=Saturn/Juno
Seurat secret relationship major aspect/=aries 64H
Rodin "double life"; 1000 letters found to English woman 64H
Frances Farmer (remarried same partner)
Erich Fromm short marriage stayed close
Parent or family partnerships are factor (see Queen Elizabeth I)
Susanne Malberbe's widowed mother married Lucie Schwob's father. They became lovers and artistic collaborators. She wore black and white.
Opponents of marriage
Sarah Silverman "why would I want the government involved in my relationship? Ew"
Charlize Theron won't get married until gay people can
Opponents of same sex marriage
. Mike Pompeo against (voted against) same sex marriage
. Ted Cruz (Saturn conjunct Juno/the whole picture is Venus=Saturn=Juno = Hades)
Transiting Pallas triggering pic when he proposes: The First Amendment Defense Act (FADA)
would make it illegal for the federal government to take any action against those who discriminate against marriages not recognized under federal law and p
EVENT:
Louis XII
Married with T. Saturn=T. Juno
died 3 months later
Appearance issues
Decorative items (items in general)
Appearance problems or issues are common especially on transits
Also damage to decorative items e.g, furniture.
There is a crossover with Juno/Chiron)
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Colorless: black or white
People with the natal aspects sometimes look
Old clothes
Madonna Reinvention tour she wears antique clothes P. Juno square P. Saturn
News: Queen Elizabeth I old skirt is found T. Juno conjunct transiting Saturn 1/8/2017
Decor/dress
Black/white
Saturn/Juno in literature
George Sand;
Indiana: "passionate protest against the social conventions that bind a wife to her husband
against her will and an apologia for a heroine who abandons an unhappy marriage
and finds love".
Similar plot: father perceives children's marital difficulties result from his poor parenting
Ayn Rand
Hemingway
W. H. Auden
Gabriel Garcia Marquez
John Ruskin knew his wife Effie since childhood. She lived in the house where his grandfather committed suicide. His first proposal was not accepted. Effie had an "understanding" with a soldier an interest in at least six other young men.
One version of what changed her mind was her father's bad financial situation. Someone, either Effie or her father, saw the advantage of marriage into the wealthy Ruskin family. None of John's family attended the wedding.
According to one biographer, Ruskin's reason for not consummating the marriage was the realization of his wife and her family's duplicity and he had entered a marriage with love on just one side. "She is unfitted to be my wife unless she also loved me exceedingly". They agreed instead to wait six years, when Effie would be 25, to give themselves time to fall in love.
John's parents payed for their comfortable lifestyle and kept a close watch on Effie, "Effie was thought to need supervision: during two long stays in Venice John was busy working, she was left on her own and had no trouble attracting admirers. She wrote "Venice is so tempting just now at night that it is hardly possible not to be imprudent", leading a number of soldiers vying for her attention, resulting in a dual in which one of her admirers was killed. "Things were exacerbated when some of her jewelry was stolen and suspicion fell on another soldier-admirer. According to gossip, perhaps the diamonds weren't in fact stolen but given." (John also had Saturn=Juno=Jupiter=Hades which includes the possibility of jewel theft. It happened to a member of the Ford family on a progression of Juno and Hades.)
Effie's reputation followed her to London and Ruskin himself was twice challenged to a duel by friends of the jewel-thief officer. His biographer wrote that at this point, Ruskin wanted a way out, and encouraged a relationship with the painter John Milais by inviting the painter to paint Effie and leaving them alone together in a vacation cottage while keeping an "evidential diary". Ruskin wanted an annulment, which allowed for the dissolution of a marriage on the grounds of, non-consummation due to incurable impotence. The hearing caused a major pubic scandal. Her friends used the non-commuation clause as a means to malign him "while he remained stoically tight-lipped". She also later ended any hopes he had of finding happiness with another young girl he liked, by warning the girl's parents about him."
. . .
Queen Elizabeth I had Saturn and Uranus in the 7th house
She also had Sun=Saturn/Juno 3' orb
The love of her life was Robert Dudley, but Lord Devereaux and Duke D'Anjou were also important.
. When P. Juno opposite N. Saturn 12' orb, Dudley died
. P. Juno opposite Saturn 10' orb she's attracted to Blount (30 years younger)
. P. Juno opposite Saturn exactly, Blount married Dudley's widow who was also Devereaux's mother!
There are other illustrations of relationships involving families that are not incestuous)
Anjou of France was another important suitor. They never married and later he said he was relieved about not marrying "a whore". When they met, T. Saturn was conjunct his N. Juno (8/17/1579)
T. Jupiter and T. Uranus were on her sun/moon midpoint.
When he backed out P. Juno=P. Saturn 64H 7-8/1571
T. Saturn trine her N. Juno Parliament convenes dominated by questions of succession and marriage September 30, 1566 Also T. Chiron conjunct Pluto/triggering N. Pluto/Chiron aspect they withhold money from her; see Pluto Chiron there's a huge section on QE1 and her Pluto/Chiron aspect
On other transiting contacts the events didn't happen to her: some suitors' mates died on Saturn/Juno transits
T. Saturn station conjunct N. Juno less than 1 degree orb; Thomas Seymour's wife died; he renews his attentions on Elizabeth "intent on marrying her" September 1548
This was a different kind of transit
T. Saturn=T. Juno = Elizabeth's ASC and Vulcanus Dudley's wife died 9/8/1850
Her sister Mary is implicated in 2nd husband's death (letters were found)
Other bad things happen to Mary that don't appear to be Saturn/Juno, Mary's imprisoned and miscarries T. Saturn trine Eliz. N. Juno
These are speculations about Saturn/Juno based on her chart
. Knew the love of her life from childhood; they fell in love years later (name was Robert Dudley)
. Personal life involved with family members. (this involves age diff too): She was almost 30 years older than Devereaux (another boyfriend) whose mother married Dudley. There are instances of this with others
. Personal life involved with family members. (this involves age diff too): She was almost 30 years older than Devereaux (another boyfriend) whose mother married Dudley. There are instances of this with others
. This is a complicated situation that includes age difference too:
P. Juno opposite N. Saturn 12' orb, Dudley died.
10' orb: She's attracted to Blount who's 30 years younger.
Exact aspect: Blount married Dudley's widow!
Her appearance: deprived of clothes as a child
...
Salvador Dali was born with a wide conjunction. He had a complicated personal life, He married once; his wife was 10 years older than he was. His father disapproved of their relationship. She was disliked by others. Dali stayed married for 50 years
Apparently he wasn't highly sexed. When P. Saturn was no greater than 8' from a conjunction with N. Juno, he met Ferderico Lorca. They met at some time in 1923 and conjunction was exact in early 1924. The relationship lasted for years. Lorca was gay and it's written there was mutual attraction. When P. Juno was conjunct P. Saturn (summer 1927) there was some sexual event when Lorca visited Dali's studio in Cadaqués Spain. Dali reported he was a voyeur of Lorca's sexual activity with a woman. Others report that Dali attempted sex with Lorca but "it hurt". There are conflicting reports about their sexual activity, but the date of the visit and that there was some sexual event between them is chronicled
His wife had a bad reputation.
Her mother had been forbidden by church to marry stepfather. She had Saturn=Juno=Aries tight
King John England
Married with T. Saturn and Neptune conjunct N. Juno (born with N. Juno square N. Pluto)
date: 11/24/1200
Yolanda Sonnabend N. Juno=Cupido=Saturn=Chiron
Designer connected with ballet director whose pieces were "disturbing"
DOB 3/26/1935
this is really chiron=Cupido
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RAW NOTES
Crazy shit: Oleg Cassini married in secret 35 years
?Leave a partner for a long term 2nd partner?
Paul Newman
Paul Hogan (retried 1st marriage)
robert reed
anna freud
? warren beatty filming shampoo promiscuous hairdresser saturn opp juno 1974
? warren beatty lawsuit P. Juno opposite saturn 2009 lawsuit with trib over comic strip dick tracy
GAY PEOPLE
EVE KOSLOFSKY SEDGWICK
KATHERINE MANSFIELD
MARCEL?
TOYEN
ROSA BONHEUR
henry iv sun=s/j 64h but major aspect of n/j
To support the invalidity of the marriage with the pope, the King and Margaret put forward the sterility of the couple, their consanguinity, and the formal defects of the marriage.[88] During the talks, the queen’s financial situation improved, but she was displeased at the idea of Henry marrying his mistress, Gabrielle d'Estrees, mother of his son, César, who was legitimized in 1595, and refused to endorse what she considered to be a dishonorable remarriage: "It is repugnant to me to put in my place a woman of such low extraction and of so impure a life as the one about whom rumor speaks."[89]
To support the invalidity of the marriage with the pope, the King and Margaret put forward the sterility of the couple, their consanguinity, and the formal defects of the marriage.[88] During the talks, the queen’s financial situation improved, but she was displeased at the idea of Henry marrying his mistress, Gabrielle d'Estrees, mother of his son, César, who was legitimized in 1595, and refused to endorse what she considered to be a dishonorable remarriage: "It is repugnant to me to put in my place a woman of such low extraction and of so impure a life as the one about whom rumor speaks."[89]
george blake one way divorce In November 1966, his wife Gillian, with whom he had three children, began divorce proceedings against him, and in March 1967 Mr Justice Orr granted a decree nisi in Blake's absence, on the grounds that the conviction of a spouse for treason can amount to cruelty or constructive desertion. Custody of their three sons, Anthony, James, and Patrick, was awarded to Gillian. This caused Blake a good deal of grief, though he knew that Gillian would have struggled to settle into life in the Soviet Union
Henry VIII North Node Saturn conjunct Juno
Rilke fell in love with a woman engaged to someone else.
He married on the rebound. They were soon separated but divorce hindered by Catholic bureaucracy/
delayed divorce
Ty Cobb
N. Saturn=Juno took 17 years to divorce; ex wife filed several divorce suits several times.
Frances Farmer (remarried same partner)
Ted Kennedy Moon and Neptune=Saturn/Juno annulment issue Moon=Neptune=Saturn/Juno
Here Saturn/Juno works like Venus/Saturn midpoint, where the planet at the midpoint is the divisive issue.
Joseph P. Kennedy II separates P. Juno=P. Saturn exact March 1989
Annulment overturned 6/2007: SR Poseidon=Saturn/Juno
Divorce with T. Saturn square Venus
Neptune=Saturn/Juno
Seurat secret relationship major aspect/=aries 64H
Rodin "double life"; 1000 letters found to English woman 64H
Frances Farmer (remarried same partner)
Erich Fromm short marriage stayed close
Parent or family partnerships are factor (see Queen Elizabeth I)
Susanne Malberbe's widowed mother married Lucie Schwob's father. They became lovers and artistic collaborators. She wore black and white.
Opponents of marriage
Sarah Silverman "why would I want the government involved in my relationship? Ew"
Charlize Theron won't get married until gay people can
Opponents of same sex marriage
. Mike Pompeo against (voted against) same sex marriage
. Ted Cruz (Saturn conjunct Juno/the whole picture is Venus=Saturn=Juno = Hades)
Transiting Pallas triggering pic when he proposes: The First Amendment Defense Act (FADA)
would make it illegal for the federal government to take any action against those who discriminate against marriages not recognized under federal law and p
EVENT:
Louis XII
Married with T. Saturn=T. Juno
died 3 months later
Appearance issues
Decorative items (items in general)
Appearance problems or issues are common especially on transits
Also damage to decorative items e.g, furniture.
There is a crossover with Juno/Chiron)
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Colorless: black or white
People with the natal aspects sometimes look
- Unsmiling (Olsen twins, Anna Wintour, Romeo Beckham, Billie Eilish, Dagan on Fox)
- Or older than they are
- Unadorned
- Partners of serious looking people sometimes have the natal aspect
The first celebutante, unsmiling Brenda Frazier had neck problems as a rresult of not moving her head so she wouldn't mess up her hair
"Stern portrait of Elizabeth includes blemishes"
Queen Elizabeth II T. Saturn=N. Juno and Zeus) 2/26/1970
Charlize Theron shaved her head T. Saturn station square N. Juno
Ayanna Pressley takes off her wig and admits she's got alopecia
T. Juno semi octile N. Saturn
This could have been Juno/Chiron
Decor: minimalist interior design Jupiter=Saturn=Juno=Chiron August 10, 1943
Decor: minimalist interior design Jupiter=Saturn=Juno=Chiron August 10, 1943
My personal experiences:
When the station hit my Juno in 2008 (semisquare) I got the worst haircut of my life (it's on fb) and some visible teeth were pulled; on another transit furniture was harmed in delivery.
My female friend's male partner has an unsightly growth on his face; it's become an issue to remove it
After removal (also on station), he needs cosmetic surgery for the scar
T. Juno station conjunct her Saturn in Libra (natal Saturn=N. Pluto)
My female friend's male partner has an unsightly growth on his face; it's become an issue to remove it
After removal (also on station), he needs cosmetic surgery for the scar
T. Juno station conjunct her Saturn in Libra (natal Saturn=N. Pluto)
Oprah auctions off her stuff
T. Juno square N. Sun/Saturn/Venus 11/3/2013
T. Saturn conjunct client's N. Juno Scorpio--He sells his roofing biz.
Juno is not only decorative--it's anything that's designed, given form.
Nancy Peloso hairdressing issue T. Saturn square N. Juno
Nancy Peloso hairdressing issue T. Saturn square N. Juno
Ezra Pound denied medal from American Academy of ARts and Sciences
N. Saturn=Kronos=Chiron triggered by T. Juno (Juno/Kronos=medals)
Cross dressers
There are several Juno aspects for cross dressers, e.g, Neptune/Juno.
Divine has Moon/Juno
I can't distinguish why some are symbolized by Saturn/Juno rather than the other possibilities
Rosa Bonheur
Georges Sand
Bruce Jenner
Robert Downey, Jr.
Ed Wood (also made "Bride of the monster)
Ernest Hemingway (also losing a piece of luggage was a life changing event; it happened with T. Neptune trine natal SaturOld clothes
Madonna Reinvention tour she wears antique clothes P. Juno square P. Saturn
On a transit: she tripped on her cape T. Juno sqq N. Saturn
News: Queen Elizabeth I old skirt is found T. Juno conjunct transiting Saturn 1/8/2017
Decor/dress
Black/white
Saturn/Juno in literature
DeBeauvoir
calls women who opt for the easy, known relationship life “bad faith: who flee the possibilities of liberty for the asphyxiating safety of Otherness. "
In her personal life: her affairs/Sartre's affairs hurt the other people (students) involved. One of them had charged deBeauvoir and she was fired 1943. Part of pro-pedaphile movement
Indiana: "passionate protest against the social conventions that bind a wife to her husband
against her will and an apologia for a heroine who abandons an unhappy marriage
and finds love".
La Petite Fadette Landry is ashamed to be associated with Fadette due to her reputation as
a witch; his parents (and everyone else) urge him to end the relationship immediately.
It has a happy ending.
In her personal lie: marriage arrangements broken and restarted, her mother thought him unattractive. Disrespected by partner, "totally different inclinations and characters; could not interrelate". He lost his money; they lived on her money;
One husband, many lovers, including famously stormy relationship with Chopin
Sir Walter Scott's unsuccessful courtship illustrated several attributes of Saturn/Juno. He first met the love of his life when she was 15 and five years later he "had enough money to marry but scarcely enough to support a lady of Williamina's rank." A friend told him "to write and boldly declare his love. Both Scott's letter and Williamina's response have been lost (but) Scott is known to have been overjoyed by Williamina's reply. It seems likely, though, that she merely did not forbid him to hope and insisted that they remain circumspect." She announced her engagement to someone else when T. Saturn was square his natal Juno (10/12/1796). "Scott felt humiliated and betrayed, and for many years believed that he had been led on and cruelly jilted. ..Scott later wrote of marriage:
'Scarce one person out of twenty marries his first love, and scarce one out of twenty of the remainder has cause to rejoice at having done so. What we love in these early days is generally rather a fanciful creation of our own than a reality. We build statues of snow and weep when they melt.' (Letter written when T. South node conjunct N. Juno 12 June 1820). "Many critics have seen echoes of Scott's unsuccessful courtship of Williamina in the frustrated passions portrayed in his literary works"
Balzac involved with wife 17 years before hey married; he died 5 months after they married.
Books:
Eugene Grandet Father on both sides are adversaries; both involved with kid's marriages
Pere Goriot: He wrote this when T. Saturn squared N. Saturn/Juno. Father goes into debt marrying off his daughters; suffers stroke when he learns married daughter is paying her lover's debts by selling husband's family jewelry.
Similar plot: father perceives children's marital difficulties result from his poor parenting
Sound of the Mountain by Yusaunari Kawabata
More by Kawabata
Thousand Cranes: romantic
involvement with father's former mistress;
Dancing Girl of Izu: learns
girl is really young
The Lake: lost
purse and age diff (see below for lost belongings)
Grasshopper and the Cricket: unable
to afford a store-bought lantern, child creates his own; eventually the child
who brought a store bought lantern is dissatisfied and discards it.
Fountainhead: Character's lover alternates between helping him and working to undermine him. Context of architecture.
Hemingway
WTF: P. Saturn conjunct P. Juno 9/11/1952 Old man and the Sea published; given Pulitzer few months later
?? He had a bad
experience with photographer
- Married someone who needed a passport
- His relations (and his unsuccessful courtships) tended to be unequal either in age or intelligence
- Age: met love of his life when guy was 18/Auden 32
- Didn't want exclusive relationship; lived together /no sex (Christine Keeler too)
- Work has lots of focus on Saturnian partnership (unconsummated love)
Couplet about unrequited love:: "if equal affection cannot be/let the more loving one be me"
The Rake's Progress Father's disapproval; guy betrays
fiance with low life behavior with the devil
Caberet song lost love longed for
Roman Wall collaborated with Benjamin Britten also Saturn/Juno (see Saturn/Juno and architecture)
Couplet about unrequited love:: "if equal
affection cannot be/let the more loving one be me"
His philosophy of relationships was erotic without
focus on any individual person "Alter ego"
The ideal was that the wounded ego seeks another
Wrote: "Marriage is the only
subject"
Octave Mirbeau wrote autobiographical La Calvaire devestating affair with a woman of dubious morals. Victimized and reduced to a state of humiliated impotence
Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Unrequited love Love in the time of Cholera
In real life, his grandfather stood in the way of his parents' marriage
"When his parents fell in love, their relationship met with resistance from Luisa Santiaga Márquez's father, the Colonel. Gabriel Eligio García was not the man the Colonel had envisioned winning the heart of his daughter: ... her father sent her away with the intention of separating the young couple. Her parents tried everything to get rid of the man, but he kept coming back, and it was obvious their daughter was committed to him. Part of Love in the time of Cholera
Anna Murdoch natal ssq; with a P. semi octile she wrote Family Business; transiting antiscia there was article about her husband's next wife and Tony Blair (July 2014)
De Maupessant had syphillis for many years; never married
His mother "risked social disgrace to obtain a legal separation from her viiolent husband"
Literature: "As they continue on their way to Le Havre, these "representatives of Virtue" ignore Boule de Suif and turn to polite topics of conversation, glancing scathingly at the young woman while refusing to even acknowledge her".
Saturn/Juno and decorative stuff
DeMaupessant Sun=Saturn=Juno=Chiron
The Necklace about a lost piece of jewelry and bad consequences; lost possessions is another Saturn/Juno quality; see King John and Ernest Hemingway both lost luggage
Bel Ami a cad advances himself by manipulative relationships with women
Mademoiselle Fifi characters ruin valuable items (also Juno/Chiron); a woman triumphs over them
Bruce Chatwin: Utz character becomes a prisoner of his porcelain collection
Oscar Wilde: "I find it harder and harder every day to live up to my blue china"
Saturn/Juno in art
- Limited colors, black and white
- Strong contrasts
- Separation of colors
- Architecture, bridges, geometric patterns, some mountains
- Materials: glass, wood but not an overabundance of stone--not in Michelangelo's chart
Charles Angrand Saturn/Juno (painted "The Ugly Man"
"It would be impossibile to imagine a better use of white and black".
(Also had Neptune/Juno: used dots which appeared to intermingle and blend in the observer's eye)
Caravaggio Sun=S/J
He's associated with chiaroscuro "the use of strong contrasts between light and dark"
He also has Neptune/Juno, but IMO the S/J is more observable in his work
Georges Seurat
Used technique called "divisionism" dividing instead of combining color
Minor aspect and Saturn/Juno=Aries Also Neptune=Juno=Aries: Neptune=Saturn/Juno
Giovanni Segantini separated colors to increase their brilliance, pointalist
Tried to marry but due to stateless status he couldn't; they lived together leading to conflicts with Catholic Church which dominated their region; they moved often to avoid condemnation
separated colors into increase their brilliance
Raushenberg monochromatic "The White Paintings" "The Black Paintings" "The Red Paintings
Louise Bourgeous lots of glass, wood, painting has little color
Painted mostly white Sun=Saturn/Juno
Tightly limited palette of colors, only occasionally showing flashes of contrasting color accents. Yves Tanguy
Diane Arbus black and white; unsmiling subjects
She married childhood sweetheart, they stayed close after divorce
Known for black and white: photographer Ansel Adams S/J=Aries minor aspect; had a major aspect of Neptune/Juno, but Saturn/Juno seems more observable
Paul Klee "tiresomeness of white"; many paintings have geometric shape edged in black
Bob Fosse black and white costumes Mars=Saturn/Juno (also Juno=Cupido)
?? Van Gogh lots of color but unrequited love
Louise Bourgeous lots of glass; wood; painting has very little color
Tracey Emon uses wood
Yolanda Sonnabend N. Juno=Cupido=Saturn=Chiron
Designer connected with ballet director whose pieces were "disturbing"
DOB 3/26/1935
this is really Chiron=Cupido
"It would be impossibile to imagine a better use of white and black".
(Also had Neptune/Juno: used dots which appeared to intermingle and blend in the observer's eye)
Caravaggio Sun=S/J
He's associated with chiaroscuro "the use of strong contrasts between light and dark"
He also has Neptune/Juno, but IMO the S/J is more observable in his work
Georges Seurat
Used technique called "divisionism" dividing instead of combining color
Minor aspect and Saturn/Juno=Aries Also Neptune=Juno=Aries: Neptune=Saturn/Juno
Giovanni Segantini separated colors to increase their brilliance, pointalist
Tried to marry but due to stateless status he couldn't; they lived together leading to conflicts with Catholic Church which dominated their region; they moved often to avoid condemnation
separated colors into increase their brilliance
Raushenberg monochromatic "The White Paintings" "The Black Paintings" "The Red Paintings
Louise Bourgeous lots of glass, wood, painting has little color
Ardent opposition to unornamented modernism;
architecture
critic Henry Hope Reed N. Saturn square Juno
Keith Haring white chalk drawings on a black backboard
Keith Haring white chalk drawings on a black backboard
Painted mostly white Sun=Saturn/Juno
Robert Ryman
5/30/1930 no TOB
Tightly limited palette of colors, only occasionally showing flashes of contrasting color accents. Yves Tanguy
Diane Arbus black and white; unsmiling subjects
She married childhood sweetheart, they stayed close after divorce
Known for black and white: photographer Ansel Adams S/J=Aries minor aspect; had a major aspect of Neptune/Juno, but Saturn/Juno seems more observable
Paul Klee "tiresomeness of white"; many paintings have geometric shape edged in black
Bob Fosse black and white costumes Mars=Saturn/Juno (also Juno=Cupido)
Berthe Morisot kept the use of color to the minimum (they look pale, lots of white) when constructing a motif. she used barely tinted whites, she's always dressed in black
Close relationship with Édouard Manet from 1868, but they could not be married. Instead, she married his brother sometimes described as a marriage of convenience. 22 December 1874 T. Neptune=T. Pluto=her natal Juno (natal Sun=Saturn/Juno)
Andrew Wyeth limited in color range; watercolor technique: squeeze the water from the brush dry
Diane Arbus: unsmiling, black and white
Married childhood sweetheart; stayed close after divorce, they collaborated
Close relationship with Édouard Manet from 1868, but they could not be married. Instead, she married his brother sometimes described as a marriage of convenience. 22 December 1874 T. Neptune=T. Pluto=her natal Juno (natal Sun=Saturn/Juno)
Andrew Wyeth limited in color range; watercolor technique: squeeze the water from the brush dry
Diane Arbus: unsmiling, black and white
Married childhood sweetheart; stayed close after divorce, they collaborated
BUT Artist Aldo Tembelli used lots of black and no major Saturn/Juno aspect (=Vulcanus)
Filger geometric approach
Emilio Pettoruti's geometric precision, near-scientific in its severity,
Glass:
. Tiffany
. Hoek, Luc. Van Sun=S/J 64H 9' orb
. Richard Marquis Scholarship to study the making of art glass (1969)
N. Aries=Sun=Saturn=Juno 64H DOB 9/17/1945 5:35AM Bumble Bee AZ
. Jean-Claude Novarro Saturn=Juno semi octile 23' Sun=S/J 64H
10/28/2943 1pm Antibes, France
. Severin Petter Brørby no tob 11/19/1932 Saturn/Juno=Aries 42' orb
. George Barbier Juno trine Saturn 2 degrees cap rising 16 October 1882 at 14:30 (= 2:30 PM ) Nantes
. Chihuly 20 September 1941 6:37pm Tacoma WA Saturn=Juno 64H/3'
But Lalique and Arne Johansen did not have the aspect
Emilio Pettoruti's geometric precision, near-scientific in its severity,
Glass:
. Tiffany
. Hoek, Luc. Van Sun=S/J 64H 9' orb
. Richard Marquis Scholarship to study the making of art glass (1969)
N. Aries=Sun=Saturn=Juno 64H DOB 9/17/1945 5:35AM Bumble Bee AZ
. Jean-Claude Novarro Saturn=Juno semi octile 23' Sun=S/J 64H
10/28/2943 1pm Antibes, France
. Severin Petter Brørby no tob 11/19/1932 Saturn/Juno=Aries 42' orb
. George Barbier Juno trine Saturn 2 degrees cap rising 16 October 1882 at 14:30 (= 2:30 PM ) Nantes
. Chihuly 20 September 1941 6:37pm Tacoma WA Saturn=Juno 64H/3'
But Lalique and Arne Johansen did not have the aspect
Louise Bourgeous lots of glass; wood; painting has very little color
Tracey Emon uses wood
Yolanda Sonnabend N. Juno=Cupido=Saturn=Chiron
Designer connected with ballet director whose pieces were "disturbing"
DOB 3/26/1935
this is really Chiron=Cupido
Multiple manifestations:
Rudyard Kipling: - Early unrequited passion; broken engagement,
- Married "commandress in chief".
- His parents didn't like her when they realized they would marry "a good man spoiled"
- Thereafter wrote about solitary men, widowers and bachelors.
- Carrie Kipling was "one of the most despised women of her generation"
- Thereafter wrote about solitary men, widowers and bachelors.
John Ruskin knew his wife Effie since childhood. She lived in the house where his grandfather committed suicide. His first proposal was not accepted. Effie had an "understanding" with a soldier an interest in at least six other young men.
One version of what changed her mind was her father's bad financial situation. Someone, either Effie or her father, saw the advantage of marriage into the wealthy Ruskin family. None of John's family attended the wedding.
According to one biographer, Ruskin's reason for not consummating the marriage was the realization of his wife and her family's duplicity and he had entered a marriage with love on just one side. "She is unfitted to be my wife unless she also loved me exceedingly". They agreed instead to wait six years, when Effie would be 25, to give themselves time to fall in love.
John's parents payed for their comfortable lifestyle and kept a close watch on Effie, "Effie was thought to need supervision: during two long stays in Venice John was busy working, she was left on her own and had no trouble attracting admirers. She wrote "Venice is so tempting just now at night that it is hardly possible not to be imprudent", leading a number of soldiers vying for her attention, resulting in a dual in which one of her admirers was killed. "Things were exacerbated when some of her jewelry was stolen and suspicion fell on another soldier-admirer. According to gossip, perhaps the diamonds weren't in fact stolen but given." (John also had Saturn=Juno=Jupiter=Hades which includes the possibility of jewel theft. It happened to a member of the Ford family on a progression of Juno and Hades.)
Effie's reputation followed her to London and Ruskin himself was twice challenged to a duel by friends of the jewel-thief officer. His biographer wrote that at this point, Ruskin wanted a way out, and encouraged a relationship with the painter John Milais by inviting the painter to paint Effie and leaving them alone together in a vacation cottage while keeping an "evidential diary". Ruskin wanted an annulment, which allowed for the dissolution of a marriage on the grounds of, non-consummation due to incurable impotence. The hearing caused a major pubic scandal. Her friends used the non-commuation clause as a means to malign him "while he remained stoically tight-lipped". She also later ended any hopes he had of finding happiness with another young girl he liked, by warning the girl's parents about him."
. . .
Queen Elizabeth I had Saturn and Uranus in the 7th house
She also had Sun=Saturn/Juno 3' orb
(+ her father's remarriage had impact; she was abused by widow and widow's husband)
. Summer 1571 two marriage possibilites dissolved (P. Saturn=P. Juno 64H exact)
She had several suitors. Lots of near misses.
The love of her life was Robert Dudley, but Lord Devereaux and Duke D'Anjou were also important.
. When P. Juno opposite N. Saturn 12' orb, Dudley died
. P. Juno opposite Saturn 10' orb she's attracted to Blount (30 years younger)
. P. Juno opposite Saturn exactly, Blount married Dudley's widow who was also Devereaux's mother!
There are other illustrations of relationships involving families that are not incestuous)
Anjou of France was another important suitor. They never married and later he said he was relieved about not marrying "a whore". When they met, T. Saturn was conjunct his N. Juno (8/17/1579)
T. Jupiter and T. Uranus were on her sun/moon midpoint.
When he backed out P. Juno=P. Saturn 64H 7-8/1571
T. Saturn trine her N. Juno Parliament convenes dominated by questions of succession and marriage September 30, 1566 Also T. Chiron conjunct Pluto/triggering N. Pluto/Chiron aspect they withhold money from her; see Pluto Chiron there's a huge section on QE1 and her Pluto/Chiron aspect
T. Saturn station conjunct N. Juno less than 1 degree orb; Thomas Seymour's wife died; he renews his attentions on Elizabeth "intent on marrying her" September 1548
This was a different kind of transit
T. Saturn=T. Juno = Elizabeth's ASC and Vulcanus Dudley's wife died 9/8/1850
Her sister Mary is implicated in 2nd husband's death (letters were found)
Other bad things happen to Mary that don't appear to be Saturn/Juno, Mary's imprisoned and miscarries T. Saturn trine Eliz. N. Juno
These are speculations about Saturn/Juno based on her chart
. Knew the love of her life from childhood; they fell in love years later (name was Robert Dudley)
. Personal life involved with family members. (this involves age diff too): She was almost 30 years older than Devereaux (another boyfriend) whose mother married Dudley. There are instances of this with others
. Personal life involved with family members. (this involves age diff too): She was almost 30 years older than Devereaux (another boyfriend) whose mother married Dudley. There are instances of this with others
. This is a complicated situation that includes age difference too:
P. Juno opposite N. Saturn 12' orb, Dudley died.
10' orb: She's attracted to Blount who's 30 years younger.
Exact aspect: Blount married Dudley's widow!
Her appearance: deprived of clothes as a child
...
Salvador Dali was born with a wide conjunction. He had a complicated personal life, He married once; his wife was 10 years older than he was. His father disapproved of their relationship. She was disliked by others. Dali stayed married for 50 years
Apparently he wasn't highly sexed. When P. Saturn was no greater than 8' from a conjunction with N. Juno, he met Ferderico Lorca. They met at some time in 1923 and conjunction was exact in early 1924. The relationship lasted for years. Lorca was gay and it's written there was mutual attraction. When P. Juno was conjunct P. Saturn (summer 1927) there was some sexual event when Lorca visited Dali's studio in Cadaqués Spain. Dali reported he was a voyeur of Lorca's sexual activity with a woman. Others report that Dali attempted sex with Lorca but "it hurt". There are conflicting reports about their sexual activity, but the date of the visit and that there was some sexual event between them is chronicled
His wife had a bad reputation.
Her mother had been forbidden by church to marry stepfather. She had Saturn=Juno=Aries tight
King John England
Married with T. Saturn and Neptune conjunct N. Juno (born with N. Juno square N. Pluto)
date: 11/24/1200
- His re-marriage restarted a war.
- She was engaged to someone else.
- He was already married to his cousin. To dissolve that marriage he argued that he failed to get the papal dispensation necessary when one marries a cousin
- Reputation: John's mistresses were married noblewomen, which was considered unacceptable
- Here's Saturn/Juno and Pluto/Juno: He sold his wife's wardship, against the buyer's will, when T. Saturn opposite natal Juno and square to N. Pluto (his wife and the buyer got married) Event: 1/20/1214
- He lost his baggage; this is the attribute of Juno's connection with designed items) He Pluto square N. Juno 5' orb and P. Juno=N. Saturn 10' orb T. Pluto=N. Saturn; T. Juno=N. Hades, T. Chiron=Neptune (it was submerged in water)
Yolanda Sonnabend N. Juno=Cupido=Saturn=Chiron
Designer connected with ballet director whose pieces were "disturbing"
DOB 3/26/1935
this is really chiron=Cupido
News Events
Italian divorce Law December 1, 1970 Saturn conjunct Juno
The Taoist monk Wang Yuanlu discovers the Dunhuang manuscripts in the Mogao Caves of Dunhuang, China, where they have been sealed since the early 11th century.
The Taoist monk Wang Yuanlu discovers the Dunhuang manuscripts in the Mogao Caves of Dunhuang, China, where they have been sealed since the early 11th century.
RAW NOTES
Crazy shit: Oleg Cassini married in secret 35 years
?Leave a partner for a long term 2nd partner?
Paul Newman
Paul Hogan (retried 1st marriage)
robert reed
anna freud
VIRGINIA WOOLF TRINE
Personal: both parents widowed. Rejected proposals. While engaged called him "penniless Jew".
First met on transit Saturn conjunct T. Juno (=T. cupido) not really hitting her chart
They weren't unhappy, but she had several affairs with women.
Night and Day Katherine's first romantic interest is attracted by her grandfather's status; father unhappy with her broken engagement ; her 2nd romantic suiter is a stalkerPersonal: both parents widowed. Rejected proposals. While engaged called him "penniless Jew".
First met on transit Saturn conjunct T. Juno (=T. cupido) not really hitting her chart
They weren't unhappy, but she had several affairs with women.
WTF:
Henry Kissinger married on a Saturn/Juno progression, but on others
WTF
kISSINGER MARRIED ON A JUNO PROGRESSION
BUT ON OTHERS:
P. SATURN SQUARE UNO END 1973-1974 NOBEL PRIZE; OFFERED TO GIVE BACK MEDAL
P. 1' FROM EXACT HE BECME SECY OF STATE??
aLEXANDER GRAHAM BELL MARRIED ON A JUNO TRANSIT
ON ANOTHER SATURN JUNO CONTACT JANUARY 1901 ELISHA GRAY DIED!)
ON ANOTHER SATURN JUNO CONTACT JANUARY 1901 ELISHA GRAY DIED!)
HEMINGWAY ?? WHEN P. SATURN CONJUUNCT P. JUNO 9-11-1952
OLD MAN AND THE SEA PUBLISHED MAY
FOLLOWED BY PULIZER
(??BAD LIFE MAGAZINE EXPERIENCE WITH EISTENSTADFT)
? warren beatty lawsuit P. Juno opposite saturn 2009 lawsuit with trib over comic strip dick tracy
GAY PEOPLE
EVE KOSLOFSKY SEDGWICK
KATHERINE MANSFIELD
MARCEL?
TOYEN
ROSA BONHEUR
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